DeiYuo
Birthday: March 22, 1976
Location: La Tierra
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ALL-TIME STATS
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Total Entries: 3,003
Total Won/Lost: $55,815.75
Total Hours: 5,558
Earnings/Hour: $10.04
Biggest Win: $3,800.00
Biggest Loss: -$2,028.00
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Poker Log Entry for DeiYuo
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February 22, 2008, 3AM: Played 4 hours, 49 minutes, Made $388.88 at Poker Stars
$33 Buy-In No-Limit Texas Hold'em Tournament (8th out of 625 Players)
I'm really pissed off yet again by retarded play.
Make my way to the final table. Never once to my chips go all into the middle of the table behind.
Once at the final table there is about 2m chips in play. I grind my stack up to a whole 100K when we are down to 8 players. The other stacks are roughly;
350K, 500K, 300K, 100K, 100K, 400K and 100K.
The problem is the blinds are 3/6K with a 600 ante, so there is not a lot of room to move your 100K stack. Plus the payouts jump drastically, they were;
1st $3500
2nd $2500
3rd $1900
4th $1400
5th $980
6th $800
7th $610
8th $420
With 4 stacks of around 100K 5th($980) place seems easily obtainable which is quite a bit more than 8th ($420)
So the medium stack is all over the place as well as my neighbor on my left. It is just a matter of time before one gets picked off and I move up a slot or two. I have to make a decision. Lock down to move up position or move my chips and go for top 3. Well, since I am me I do what I always do.. both. I do this by not risking much of my stack in spots I feel are weak/tight with hands I get away from so incase they do play back.. I can release it.
Anyways, agro boy on my left almost goes broke calling with AT vs AA.. he grinds it back up to 80K somehow, there is now another short stack of 70K and the big stacks are really moving their chips around. I'm liking my spot as I eyeball 6th place money of $800. Then disaster strikes...
I pick up TT in the SB.. everyone folds to me in the SB.. I know no matter how I play this hand the fucking agro in the BB is going to force me to put in all my chips. At this point I have about 75K and he has 80K, blinds still 3K/6K, so I decide to make it clear to him that I have a hand and raise it to about 30K, I'm certain if I just limp he auto shoves all-in, if I min raise same thing, all-in. In retrospect I should have just moved all in.. so anyways, make it 30K, he min raises me.. then I move all in and he autocalls since he only has about 12K left at this point. The cocksucker has K6 off. WTF kind of play is that when someone commits themselves by putting in 30K of 70K, almost half their stack! I don't get it and this shit drives me crazy. Like I said, I *should have* just been the one to put all my chips in pre.. but then again.. doing that makes them think you are really weak and he probably would have auto called with K high thinking I was stealing with 92. (like said before, he was not folding) And there is no way I am entertained the idea of laying down TT in that spot to "play for position" but if that is the case, I should NEVER play poker. Is that thought right?So a King falls(like anticipated and expected) and instead of having 180K and another spot locked up.. I'm out 8th with my dick in my hand and $400 in the other.
Last Update: February 22, 2008, 1:36PM
12 Comments
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February 26, 2008, 6:50AM
Posted by DeiYuo
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A loppsided coin in my favor but a coin flip non the less ;)
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February 25, 2008, 4:20PM
Posted by NateDawg
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You know, looking back at the hand history have come to conclude that this agressive player would have made the call no matter what you did and/or gone all-in even if you weren't to bet... Either way this came down to a coin flip in which you lost...
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February 22, 2008, 9:38PM
Posted by DeiYuo
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Yeah yeah, everyone has made it clear that I am a weak donkey fool for not moving all in pre ;)
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February 22, 2008, 7:58PM
Posted by NateDawg
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I agree in principal with everyone's comments. However, I would have shoved in that position knowing he had made some questionable calls, raises, and the like previously in this tournament. Look at his hand history mind you...
Down to eight players, and still a weakness for most, is the ideal that making the money is sufficient for the work they did. Now call me a fool, but making it to the final table instills a certain drive for me where I express the "all or nothing mentality" and go for it. Hell, in my mind going out 8th at the final table might as well be taking last place.
Shove with the best of them and play agressively back at him. If I were in his situation (i.e., the aggro to you left) would have done the same thing, and have done the same thing to you in the past. Two outcomes come to mind if I'm the aggressive player. 1) Jesse is making a move but doesn't shove tells me he has a mid to low pocket pair or overcards QJ10. I'd have to look at the hand's specific play and the previous hands leading to this particular hand but that's point one. 2) Knowing that I have a Kx in the whole would have folded if you shoved, telling me you have solid overcards or top pair but since you didn't and were playing weak would put you all-in on principal and principal alone cause Kx isn't the best hand but heads up is a monster in my mind. He's also thinking the same thing, making it a few positions up, and probably felt this was the time to do it since the button was about to pass him. Yes, he could have folded and played his button/next round with little to no chips but would rather take a stab at it against a smaller stack than face off against the larger ones whom might call any of his attempts. Hell, in his mind he was thinking he misses the flop, turn and river, and would still have $12k to work with and I think you said he was almost taken out previously on an A10?
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February 22, 2008, 1:43PM
Posted by DeiYuo
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Wow! Just uploaded my HH and I got the numbers wrong, blinds were 3k/6k and my stack was only 62K and he had about 80K.. I raised to a total of 24K.. still half my stack, much smaller bet considering blinds, but it does make it much more clear that all-in was the preferred move. No fold equity for him etc
Lets get back to backing EightFive.. maybe someone should just start a Just Rambling Entry about it and start collecting the money ;)
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February 22, 2008, 1:13PM
Posted by patterson825
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I'd shove in that spot in a heart beat especially if your not playing for top 3 cause more often then not the person will fold and takes all the chances away from him making any plays back at you .. raising 30k your pot committed anyways, you might as well shove then the person can't make a make a play back at you even though the guy is a tard and if he still calls after your shove with k/6 off thats what you want anyways. If your playing for the money and you know the guy is going to shove if you limp, I'd limp in that spot then call cause you want your money in there instead of just shoving and just picking up blinds and antes
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February 22, 2008, 1:00PM
Posted by DeiYuo
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EightFive no longer has a say in the matter.
We just have to decide where, when and how much we are putting him in for and what % he will get for playing.
Make him an OPL hat or some shit to represent us then throw his ass on a plane ;)
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February 22, 2008, 12:51PM
Posted by grlg
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Deiyou,
I am with you with regard to 85 and OPL community. It kills me too when I read his post and the only thing I can think is that he does not have the bankroll yet. I am ready to send him to vegas myself lol......
85 you really sound and your logs reflect bigger tourneys
what do you think 85
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February 22, 2008, 10:21AM
Posted by NatePringle
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Agreed....shoving pre is the best play in this situation. However, like EightFive said, you still managed to get all your chips in preflop, so it didn't really matter. I think there's really nothing else you can do in this spot but get all your chips in. You just happened to get unlucky against the K6. Although, I sort of understand the K6's play in this situation because A. He has a chance to knock out a short stack and B. King high is actually a favorite against a lot of hands heads up. I think how he played the hand was terrible, but shoving over your raise wouldn't have been too bad IMO. Overall, it was just an unlucky spot for you. GG
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February 22, 2008, 10:06AM
Posted by EightFive
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If you are going to play to just move up a spot or two in the money I think the only play that has a chance to get him to fold is shoving pre...seems kind of counterintuitive that shoving would probably be the "safest play" but I think its the only way he MIGHT fold.
If you just limp I think he is shoving here and, honestly, that might be the right play for him (unless you have limp/folded in the small blind to him a few other times then he should be aware that you might limp/call with a monster). Personally I think limping is terrible.
If you really want to move up in the money 1 or 2 spots i guess you can fold if you can stomach it, but I can't see a situation where just shipping it isn't the best play.
sidenote: Have to print this paper I am working on, turn it in, and then I am home free to play all break!
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February 22, 2008, 9:26AM
Posted by DeiYuo
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Thanks for your input.. I respect your opinions/play very much. When we are ready I think the OPL community should horse you in some bigger events. These $1/$2 tourneys you play are killing me with the knowledge you have.
My question..
If I am NOT playing for top 3 and playing rather to skirt up the money what is the "ideal" way to play the hand considering how much of a risk he is?
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February 22, 2008, 7:44AM
Posted by EightFive
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I agree you should have just stuck it all in preflop but what you did do is virtually the same thing (and your right could/should have almost made him more wary of playing the hand with you if he is smart enough to know that 30k really might as well be your whole stack). the only thing about making it 30k is if he calls you need to move in on any flop imo. i don't think there is anything you could have done here to have changed the outcome. (not to mention him calling there is going to be an easier way to double than any spot you will probably find in the near future and to play for top three you will need to double)
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