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December 23, 2006, 5AM:
Floor Decision, What is Your Opinion?
Ok, I was playing in an Omaha8 game when a dealer made a small mistake and called the floor over for a ruling.
What had happened was on the turn there was 6 way action on a kill so betting is now double.
Player1 bet out, Player2 called, Player3 raised, Player4 called, Player5 re-raised, Player6 capped, Once the 6th player capped it everyone in the hand just put in the right amount of chips. No one had the intention of folding.
The dealer now burned and turned and then realized player2 had only called 3 bets and not 4. He was confused with whether or not the card would stay or what to do with player2, so he called the floor over.
Keep in mind player2 is notorious for being confused with the bets when it is a kill. Also, player2 called one bet then it was capped to him.
If you were the floorman what would you decide?
Last Update: December 23, 2006, 5:58AM
5 Comments
With how the action went, all the raises coming after player2 initially called, and him adding another 2 bets to his initial bet, I believe that his intention is to call all 4 bets, therefore forcing the player to place all bets into the pot and letting the river stay. Even though the house's policy is that if all bets are not in the pot that card comes back. The dealer should have realized that this was the policy and done one of 2 things, force the player to add the additional bet to the pot, or quickly scoop the chips into the pot before anyone realizes that player is short, with the knowledge the floor would have to be called and the card would come back, more than likely pissing off a player or two at the table.
Posted by mtcarddealer on December 26, 2006, 1:11PM
So, I like all your responses..
What ends up happening is the dealer does not take control of the situation (like many weak dealers do when any decision has to be made) and calls the floor over.
The floor tries to listen to the dealer and the dealer explains it as more or less... I am an idiot and can't make a decision so I am going to tell you part of the story incorrectly and have you make a bad decision on partial information since I am a moron. He really basically says, "It was capped, this player didn't call one bet and I burned and turned".
I try and jump in to explain the situation in more detail but the floorman is overrun by players asking if the card will stay or not and grumbling and whining. The floorman decides that since the player did not call one bet and it is "house policy" to bring the card back if not all bets are called that the river card must come back and the player has the option of folding or calling the one bet.
You think he would obviously call the one bet but instead he folds!!! Now everyone is all pissed off. The dealer shuffles and I prey to the poker gods, for the sake of the house, that the card comes back, it doesn't and this guy that would have had nut flush gets fucked out of half the pot and it slides another direction.
At the time, and even a bit now, I respect the floormans decision based on the information given to him by the dealer. That is their house policy and he was consistent with their rules. But this is what prevents floor people from being excellent at their jobs. He should have taken control of the situation and got everyone to shut the fuck up and calm down, then gotten a story from the dealer for the sake of entertainment and then let someone that actually new what the fuck was going on have a chance to interject explaining to him in English what had really happened. But that is the problem with floormen these days, they have blinders on, take the situation and put it in a box, and then once in that box they follow the procuderes mandated them to open it. Why? Because it protects their ass, they are following procedures and if someone is upset with the ruling they have the convenience of saying "it is house policy". He should read the sitution and realize, capped pot 6 way action, one player has yet to call one whole bet, he intention was to call since he has 3 bets in, the wrong amount of chips were put into the pot, card stays, player owes the one bet, end of story. You could even take it further and put responsiblity on the dealer, pay attention, he missed the chips, then when he catches it, just tell the player he owes the chips and continue with the river action, instead his insecurity causes him to 2nd guesses himself. He panics and makes another mistake of not explaining the situation properly to his floorman.
I really like this floorman, he is a very nice person, an outstanding host, remembers players names, what games they play, what they drink etc, but making decisions that move $200 one way or another should be taken seriously.
3 players were very upset, I watch the staff like a hawk now, the dealer looked like an asshole and this could have been easily been avioded.
I know this is not a large professional establishment but be a little flexible in the interest of the game and train your dealers to be a bit more independent.
I eneded up taking the floorman to the side and explained to him the other side of the situation, that since it is capped to the guy that called the one bet the once he puts more chips in the pot he is saying "call" and that although the chips were light his action had been made. That no matter what he choose to do nothing would change, he can't raise, no one can fold.. blah blah
DeiYuo
Posted by DeiYuo on December 26, 2006, 3:47AM
with the cap in place it's obvious his intention is to call, I think you have to keep the cards as they were, if they were in montana they wouldn't even have the option of calling a floor, I would've told them to shut their pussy mouths....play on motherfuckers
Posted by dnshy on December 24, 2006, 4:26AM
I think you just get the last bet in from player 2 and play on.
Posted by DeDobber on December 23, 2006, 1:52PM
Having never learned the proper casino rulings for Omaha, this will be an educated guess. I'm thinking that if player 2 was there with the intention of calling all the bets, have him put in the bet he missed and the river (I think you said it was the river) stays. Seems the best for keeping the integrity of the game and all the players happy.
Posted by jfrostman on December 23, 2006, 12:11PM
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