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April 8, 2008, 6PM
Here's an Example How Easy Star's WSOP Steps

Im playing Step 3....
 
And I like these better at night, but decided to fire one of during the day.
 
Blinds are 100-200, I have a 1200 stack in the BB.
 
I call a min raise with QT suited.  Flop comes Txx and I fire all in 800 into a 900 pot.  I get instally called by A7 off....no pair ace high.  This is also btw on the bubble 6 handed....5 places stay in the system.
 
Here is the HH:
 
PokerStars Game #16590512289: Tournament #84019400, $75+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/04/08 - 21:30:20 (ET)
Table '84019400 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: gun of a sun (3280 in chips)
Seat 3: echolswt (2445 in chips)
Seat 4: le_pepere (2960 in chips)
Seat 5: CardDealer40 (1200 in chips)
Seat 7: Jas0nKiiiiM (1475 in chips)
Seat 8: Boykee (2140 in chips)
le_pepere: posts small blind 100
CardDealer40: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CardDealer40 [Qs Ts]
Jas0nKiiiiM: folds
Boykee: raises 200 to 400
gun of a sun: folds
echolswt: folds
le_pepere: folds
CardDealer40: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Th 3s 6h]
CardDealer40: bets 800 and is all-in
Boykee: calls 800
*** TURN *** [Th 3s 6h] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [Th 3s 6h Ad] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CardDealer40: shows [Qs Ts] (a pair of Tens)
Boykee: shows [Ac 7s] (a pair of Aces)
Boykee collected 2500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2500 | Rake 0
Board [Th 3s 6h Ad Jh]
Seat 2: gun of a sun folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: echolswt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: le_pepere (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: CardDealer40 (big blind) showed [Qs Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 7: Jas0nKiiiiM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Boykee showed [Ac 7s] and won (2500) with a pair of Aces
 
No my question for all of you is this: What the fuck could he have put me on that I would bet all my chips roughly the size of the pot, that ace high could be good there.....and not even a good ace high.  And for 1/2 his stack.

Last Update: April 8, 2008, 6:50PM


3 Comments


April 8, 2008, 9:06PM
Posted by EightFive

I understand what you are saying, but in my opinion if you are calling here to check/fold on a missed board you are making a hugely -EV play.
 
Also, if this guy's range is really that wide why not shove it preflop? You also say that if you catch a favorable flop you can shove and induce a fold.  Why would you want a fold if you actually make a hand?
 
This is in no way personal I am just interested in your thinking, because everything I have come across suggests a different line.


April 8, 2008, 7:48PM
Posted by mtcarddealer

My thoughts on the play was this:
 
If I fold my BB, I still have only 5X the BB left, calling the the min raise leaves my with 4X the BB.  I was playing 4 at once, but had notice through the whole SNG that this guy was raising pre a lot from all kinds of positions.  So I figured I would peel off a flop for a price, where my stack is basically in the same position as if I fold.  If I catch a favorable flop, I can shove the rest of my stack, and probably induce a fold where my stack can pick up an extra 700, which almost doubles my stack, and lets me survive for another round.
 
Another thing that was going through my mind, is that these things go fast (usually last 30-40 min), it was pretty much a full table for most of the sat.  And I didnt see but one other hand.  QTs was looking pretty good at that point, at least to finally be able to take a peek at a flop.


April 8, 2008, 7:09PM
Posted by EightFive

There is a very standard MTT play called a stop and go that is basically what you did.  Generally people do it when they are out of position, sense that the initial raiser has a wide range, and have a relatively short stack.  They call and then shove any flop.  The idea behind the play is that it is much more difficult to get the orig. raiser to fold preflop b/c they have almost no FE (depending on the size of their stack) than it is if you wait to shove the flop because the raiser will have missed about 2/3 of the time.
 
This player most likely read you as running a stop and go and actually made a call that most good MTT players would agree with. 
 
HOWEVER, on the bubble of a satty I have NO idea what he was thinking.  My guess is that he incorrectly applied the thin call that is +EV against a potential stop n go in a MTT that isn't usually the same situation on the bubble of a satellite.
 
My question is on your play.  Is it really a good idea to call with QT for 1/3 of your stack out of position? Unless you were actually planning on shoving any flop I think that the call is a huge spew.


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